REMARKABLE PEOPLE, dr. norm shealy
from 1995 Thresholds Quarterly
It All Comes Back to His Favorite Word...ATTITUDE
| ||C. Norman Shealy, M.D., Ph.D. is the founder of the American Holistic Medicine Association and a world-renowned neurosurgeon. Previously the founder and director of the Pain and Health Rehabilitation Center in LaCrosse, Wisconsin, Dr. Shealy is now the director of the Shealy Institute in Springfield, Missouri which he founded in 1982. |
In the last issue of Thresholds, Dr. Shealy shared with you his views on healing and his experiences with remembering a past life as an internist who used mesmerism for patients undergoing surgery. In this issue, we continue our conversation with this remarkable man who has cultivated the capacity for tuning in to the wisdom of the universe. He is passionate about sharing his miraculous discoveries with the world, to improve the quality of life for all.
Although he no longer sees private patients, Dr. Shealy is extremely active with research, intensive healing sessions at the Institute, education, writing, and public speaking. He frequently presents seminars on healing and energetics with his partner Caroline Myss who is a medical intuitive and teaches courses on developing intuition. He has authored over ten books including the Self Healing Workbook and Miracles Do Happen and is currently writing a book with Dr. Myss called Sacred Contracts.
Thresholds: I read somewhere that you knew at age four that you wanted to be a doctor.
Shealy: Thats right.
Thresholds: How did you know that and how did you get from there to where you are here?
Shealy: Well, I cant answer how I knew that. I have a number of early life memories and one of them is knowing at age four that I wanted to be a physician. Another one is about that same age, somewhere between four and five, I was in my grandmothers kitchen. I was up on a lard can and was watching my uncle outside making a snowman in one of the rare snowfalls in South Carolina. And I was unhappy because my mother wouldnt let me go out and play in the snow. Grandma came in and she was all excited that I might fall or cut myself on the edge of the can. I said, Grandma, dont worry! If youre gonna die, youre gonna die. To which she replied, Well, that may be true, son, but you can certainly shorten your days. And lets put it this way, I did not know or even think about reincarnation until I was forty. I always had a belief in life after death; it never had occurred to me there was any possibility of anything other than that. I was raised in a very liberal Southern Methodist church, that was my background.
In February, 1973, I was at a lecture in Snowmass, Aspen. And I was to be the next speaker, and as I was sorting my slides I was listening to the lecturer try to convince the audience that acupuncture was hypnosis. And I was sitting there saying, Thats bull! Thats ridiculous! And all of a sudden he said, and in the last century there was a physician who demonstrated that you could operate upon mesmerized patients. His name was John Elliotson. And as he said that, I felt as if an iceberg went down my spine and I sort of sat up and I said, My God, Im John Elliotson. And I knew that I was John Elliotson. Now I never had a need to or a belief in reincarnation before that.
I couldnt find anything in this country about John. So I went to England in June. I was going over there for something else anyway. But specifically, I wanted to find out about John as my major interest in going to this meeting. And so I got in a cab and said take me to the Royal College of Surgeons because all I knew was that he had demonstrated you could operate on mesmerized patients. And we were going down a street and he turns to the right to go to the Royal College of Surgeons and I am literally picked up, physically, and turned 180 degrees the other way to look down the street, and thats were John practiced. When I walked in the building, I just knew it. I knew this building. And the fascinating thing about it is, I designed this building [the Shealy Institute] in a flash. And I had been in this building maybe three or four years when I suddenly remembered, I was thinking about that episode, it was a round brick building and so when I got the design for this building its a series of six round, circular buildings. At any rate, Im convinced that I was John Elliotson in my last life.
Now as far as I could tell at this point, having had several spontaneous recalls of past lives and quite a few guided past life sessions, I have been a physician many times. Obviously, not always. Ive been a priest three times, Catholic priest at that. I have probably been a Jewish -- not a rabbi -- but some kind of Jewish leader many many years ago. Maybe four thousand years ago. Now to me thats real. That is as real as sitting here in this room is real. And it has no great meaning other than, Im very comfortable with that. So, I believe this long-winded answer to your question is that I came in this life to be a physician. And I just happened to know that at age four.
Thresholds: And I know that you had been a neuro-surgeon, I guess you still are, but just not practicing as such.
Shealy: Right. I am very happy that I am a neurosurgeon, have been a neurosurgeon, because it gives me an ability to understand the nervous system that I dont think a neurologist, psychiatrist, or any other branch of medicine can understand as well. I went into neurosurgery because I was interested in the mind. And I was interested in the mind because I had read Magnificent Obsession, which was a novelized account of Loyal Daviss life. Loyal Davis was a neurosurgeon in Chicago and of course, in a glorified novel-type thing, it made neurosurgery a lot of what it is not. Neurosurgeons are not interested in the mind, until they mature. Often, neurosurgeons in their sixties and seventies get interested in the mind. Wilder Penfield, for instance, got very much into that after he had retired from neurosurgery.
Well, I was interested in that when I went into neurosurgery. And I realized after I got extremely busy in neurosurgery, which I loved, surgery is fun! Its the only thing I have ever done that I can say I am technically good at. I mean, with my hands. Im not a carpenter, I dont have that kind of dexterity for other things. In the operating room, I was totally at peace with myself. But, I was more interested in what makes people tick. And why people got into all of these neurologically-related problems, like chronic pain especially, and didnt get well.
So, primarily as a result of introducing a technique called Dorsal Column Stimulation, I got thrown into a very peculiar practice in neurosurgery. I was seeing about three hundred people a year who were total failures of the system with chronic pain. Mostly people who had had, well, an average of five or six unsuccessful back operations. And I suddenly was having all these people referred to me for this procedure. And I found that conservatively 94% of them were not candidates for this because I felt that their problem was primarily psychological and not physical. So I decided in 1971 to restrict my practice. I thought I was restricting it to the management of pain. But what I learned was that I was restricting it to the management of chronic stress. Because very quickly, I began to recognize that my average patients had five major medical illnesses, not just pain. They had forty-nine symptoms, you know, they had a lot of distress. And as we got better at teaching people how to bring their pain under control, we began to see their blood pressure becoming under control and some of their other stress illnesses getting better. So in 1974, I decided I needed to learn more than I had learned in medical school about psychology. I hated psychiatry with a passion. I thought it was the sickest thing Id ever seen in my life. So I decided to get a Ph.D. in psychology. For my own benefit, mainly. I just wanted it, and this has been a very satisfactory combination from my point of view.
Thresholds: And is that, Ive heard the word biogenics but I dont know what it is.
Shealy: Well, what happened is, lets see, in 1972, I first learned about biofeedback and autogenic training, a technique that was introduced early in this century. A book [was] written on it in 1932 by J. H. Schultz, a German psychiatrist who was not at all like a Freudian psychiatrist. Its Freudian nonsense that I guess I rejected so much in medical school. I consider Freud the great fraud. But Schultz introduced this excellent technique which really is a very ritualized form of self hypnosis. And I learned about that at the same time I learned about biofeedback for management of migraine. And this was before it was out into the medical public at all. So I called Elmer Green and I said, Dr. Green, has anyone ever used biofeedback to treat back pain? because at that time 90% of my patients were failures of back surgery. He said No, why dont you try it? I said, What do I do? He said, Well, get yourself some equipment and try it.
So we bought an EEG and an EMG and a temperature biofeedback machine and I had the nurses start doing it. The instructions were pretty poor. And what happened was, I had a man sixty years of age who had been paralyzed for seven years from the nipples down who couldnt sit up because of pain. His pain became agonizing within fifteen minutes of his sitting up. The nurses said, What kind of feedback do you want to do with Leonard? I said, Just do EEG. Two days later I walked in and he said Doc, I dont have any pain. And I had never seen anybody with paraplegic pain get rid of it, never. I mean, twice, I operated and actually cut out a hunk of the spinal cord in people who were totally paralyzed for years in an attempt to control their pain and it was back in six months. So I said, Leonard, how did you do it? And he couldnt tell me. He finally said, Well, its as if I throw a switch in my brain. I can be on the machine fifteen minutes and Im free of pain for four hours. How did you do it? Well, he couldnt tell me.
So, I read three hundred and fifty books in the field of hypnosis and autogenic training and self regulation, and I tried to find out how you throw the switch. And by early 1974, I wrote, I tried to integrate this whole concept, and I had pretty well written my Ph.D dissertation before I started to get my Ph.D. because it was a workbook for how to use biofeedback. I called it initially, autogenics. I just added an s to autogenic, because I was doing a lot more than just autogenic therapy. Well, the expert, theoretically, in the world at that time was Wolfgang Luthe up in Canada. I sent it to him. I didnt know him, and I said this is what Im doing. And he was furious that I would conceive this! He was sort of the disciple of Schultz, who carried on the work after Schultz. He was furious that I would even say that I did autogenic training without having been certified by him. Very Germanic. I dont think he ever practiced autogenic training or he couldnt have been so rigid. So, rather than fight with him over the use of the word, (which obviously I couldve used, its not a trademark name) I said, well, we are really doing biofeedback with autogenic training so I called it biogenics and got it federally trademarked so I wouldnt be fighting with anybody over the word. But its what I would call the software for using biofeedback.
Thresholds: And is that something you teach people to learn how to do here?
Shealy: Yes. We do teach that; not everybody learns it. Those people who will do it, do fantastically well. Eighty percent of people who really get into it get excellent control of pain. I think that there are a number of people who just wont do it. They say, thats bull. Well, obviously nothing works if you dont use it.
Thresholds: Right. That kind of leads me to my next question. One thing I have seen, not so much with people who have had an accident, but with someone who has been sick over a long period of time... Its as if there is something inside of them that kind of goes dead. And in order to really heal, something has to happen inside of them that moves them or wakes them up.
Shealy: Well, I think thats true. Its a very difficult question to know what is the exact, unequivocal cause of an illness. There are always, I believe, psychological, psycho-social, emotional problems as part of any illness. Either significantly preceding it, very common, or certainly after you have been ill for awhile.
For example, Ill just give you some personal stuff that I realize significantly at this juncture. I suffered ... suffered? I developed, I never seen that. The surgeon who operated on me was the one who did the fusion in 60. I went back to him, hes never seen that in four thousand patients. And so it was an odd type of spasticity. The tightness in my hamstrings and low back was gone after the surgery. So I know that for at least sixteen years, I had some kind of slow, progressive spinal cord compression.
Now Im going to come to the point of what this is all about. I have always been considered a very strong willed person. One of the earliest psychics that I ever met said, You have such a strong will that some people think your parents were robots. I prided myself on my strong will. And so here Ive had major difficulties in the fifth chakra, the will chakra. I could go on another hour about all Ive learned out of this but basically, I dont have any doubt that I was stubborn enough that it took three big-time illnesses for me to get the message that the will shouldnt be dominant. So I hope Ive learned the lesson, I dont need any more trouble in that area. And I think in all of us there are always these other meanings, I guess thats the point Im trying to make. Now I dont feel as if I had a bad, unfinished business. I dont have any anger, guilt over my past life. I have no people that I hate, I havent been abused, I was treated as well, better, than most people, as well as any child could be. My mother adored me. I dont have a lot of psychological problems that Im aware of. I dont think I do. But I had a will that was out of balance. And maybe it can be that simple, thats fairly simplistic in a sense. And yet, I believe that I was so stubborn and so unwilling to pay attention to the basic need to integrate the heart and the will and the mind and not have any one of them truly dominate that I didnt pay attention. And I think even when one doesnt have serious psychological things you can have an imbalance of that kind that can lead to accidents and/or illnesses.
Thresholds: So do you think that it takes a wake-up call like that?
Shealy: Well, if youre stubborn it takes a wake-up call like that and I suspect in most people it takes a wake-up call. You know, in general, people dont buy consciousness until they are threatened with loss. John Travis tried to set up a wellness program in Mill Valley, California, the wealthiest county in the country twenty years ago. He failed, he went bankrupt because people were not willing to pay for wellness until they lost it. Theres never been a truly successful wellness preventive program in this country because nobody is willing to pay for it until they lose it. So yeah, I think it takes a wake-up call and only you can know what needs to be awakened. Nobody else can know that for you. I dont care how good they are as intuitives, all of them miss.
Thresholds: You just said, and I also read in your book Miracles Do Happen, that for most people theres some kind of unfinished business emotionally, like guilt or anger...
Shealy: Oh, yeah!
Thresholds: It interested me when you wrote that one of the benefits of music is that it brings that unfinished emotional stuff up. Once its brought up, how do you help people to resolve it?
Shealy: Well, thats an interesting question because I dont think at this point, now again, Im being an extremist here and I realize that. I honestly believe that very few people get well with counseling or psychotherapy unless they get the personal insight that is necessary. In other words, if I tell them what is wrong and what they need to do, or the best clairvoyant, intuitive in the world, tells them that, my observation from years of working with this is that they dont pay much attention. They just ignore it. I mean its like, I can tell a patient they need to quit smoking, they know that. It doesnt do any good for me to tell them, I mean I can sometimes try to brow beat them but unless they come to the conclusion it doesnt do any good.
So several years ago we began working with, well weve worked for twenty-five years with techniques for helping people do their own resolution. And basically what we tell people now is youve got to have the insight: Ah-ha, thats what Ive got to do, and youve got to be willing to do it, and you have only three solutions. You never have but three solutions. The question is making the decision to do something about it. You can assert yourself to try to correct the problem -- fight back; you can divorce the intolerable with joy, (divorcing it with anger will get you nowhere); or you can go for sainthood -- accept and forgive. Now again, I can tell you that and you can even logically agree with me but youve got to feel it. And it is that integration of the left and the right brain that I think has to happen. So we just teach people these are the principles, youve gotta do it. And obviously, if you want help when you reach that decision, its worth getting it but you can do it on your own. When youre ready. So we developed what I call an insight meditation chamber. And theres a sketch of that in the book. Its looks as if people who get into that have a strikingly better response to personal insight than anything else weve done, including the music, which is very powerful.
Thresholds: Do you use that yourself, the meditation chamber?
Shealy: Yes, I have one at home. I use it, we use it in our classes teaching intuition too. We use a lot of adjuncts in teaching intuition.
Thresholds: How would you define health?
Shealy: (Laughs.) You know, Ive played with that for twenty-five years or more. I still have to say that I think health is a state of being reasonably free of unpleasant symptoms and feeling good about it and being at peace. Now, that is somewhat vague. I dont know Christopher Reeve. I have seen him twice on television. I have phenomenal admiration for him. For the way in which, at least publicly, he is handling something which I would have had great difficulty handling. I mean I was in pretty bad shape just thinking of being paralyzed below the arms let alone including the arms. I would say that psychologically, Christopher Reeve is extraordinarily healthy. His body is hardly what anybody could call healthy, at this point. But his attitude, at least what he presents to the public, and thats the only thing that I can evaluate, is remarkable.
Ive seen a woman here in town like this who was in an automobile accident and is quadraplegic. And I have the greatest admiration for her because she works every day counseling people at a Social Security office. And I thought, wow, when I see people whove got, you know, a big toe that hurts, and they go on the public dole or worse, and heres this woman whos actually out there making a difference. I have remarkable respect and admiration for that. Mentally, she is presenting an extremely healthy picture. She has a lot of pain. She has a lot of problems. So I think ultimately it is ones, were back to my favorite word, attitude.
Thresholds: This is a question I have for you personally. I know that a lot of people -- whether theyre traditional physicians or they come up with some kind of alternative cures -- once they find something that they think is a key, they stick with that and tend to be closed-minded. You seem remarkably openminded.
Shealy: Well, some people would consider that a weakness, not a strength. My staff actually sometimes is driven mad by it. I am utterly convinced that what we do is relatively unimportant. It is the attitude with which we do it. And to some extent, what the patients do is unimportant, its the attitude with which they do it. Now thats a very difficult concept to get across and its frightening to a lot of therapists because it means that these external things arent important but the attitude with which you do it is critically important. Because it can be the thing that motivates the patient to do what needs to be done. And so Im always looking at what might motivate and assist, and evaluating it as well as I can.
I think there are just some people who think that way. That is the way I think. I probably have three to six innovative ideas a week. Now maybe if Im lucky, once a month one of them pans out! I came up with one yesterday which I will evaluate and Im really excited about it. It may not [work] and if it doesnt I wont be distraught over it. Its just another toy to play with as far as Im concerned. But a lot of people dont have that, perhaps they dont have a mind that wanders as much as mine, I dont know what the difference is. Some people are more attuned to the cosmic information than others. And I honestly believe that, and I want to put this in a way...I dont know how to put it. I happen to have a computer, a brain computer receiver, that I think is remarkably open to receiving information from the cosmos. I think everybody has the option of being that receptive.
Now what you do with that information is important. Some people get hung up on it and go crazy. Because not all of it, well, the collective unconscious, if you will, the morphogenic field, is filled with a lot of nonsense. As well as higher dimensional information. And I think a huge number of people get attached to the nonsense, to the negative thought forms of centuries of humanity. And some of them are your really serious criminal beings. And occasionally one is able to sift well enough not to get so much of the negative collective unconscious but just hear a message and do something with it. Am I being too vague?
Thresholds: No, I understand what you are saying.
Shealy: I communicate with my personal angel, I have long involved conversations at times. I receive a lot of intuitive information. Im not the least bit interested in receiving intuitive information about another human being. Other than safety factors, you know. I dont want to be in the position of having everybody who enters my presence sap me, wanting Oh, tell me whats wrong with me! I think thats disgusting. Ill watch it with Carolyn [Myss], with whom I work. I mean, I see energy around people. Ive always seen energy around people. And when Carolyn walks in the room, and everybody knows she is a medical diagnostician, theres this sort of vacuum, sucking her energy. I dont want that. Fortunately, thats not my interest anyway. My interest happens to be in creating tools for people to use in being healthy. And so Im blessed because I have blocked that other bit of information. I dont want it. I dont want to come near it. But Im very open to potential ways of improving the delivery of health care. I think thats what Im here for. Im not here just to be a physician, Im here in a small way to open the door for people to think about the reality of the universe and what it means in relation to health. Thats really my understanding and my purpose. I really hope I do what Im supposed to do so I dont come back next life as a politician. I want to be a botanist in New Zealand.
Thresholds: Sounds a lot more fun.
Thresholds: That actually was one of my questions that you just answered.
Shealy: What am I going to do next time?
Thresholds: No, what your idea is of your mission in life.
Shealy: I think that Im supposed to help people and if possible the medical profession (which is almost as constipated as any other) to be aware that there are many different roads to Rome. To look and observe and test. Ultimately, only the patient can do it. Now, heres the kind of thing that I will follow up on. This happened just today. My thought of the day. I have a nice, wonderful lady Ive known for several years. She just walked in the clinic and shes really only seen me in consultation once. Shes really been a friend, has been a student, and it turns out that even though she looked very healthy she had a very low DHEA [level] a couple of years ago. And I made some suggestions of what she could do to raise it and it didnt work. So she was concerned about it being really seriously low. She went on to DHEA supplementation but she didnt want to take DHEA because, even though shes in her late sixties, thats a long time to take it. So she decided, based upon her knowledge and what shes learned, that she was going to take a very tiny dose and tell her body that this is what you want to make. "Clone this" is what she called it. Well, taking ten milligrams of DHEA twice a week, her DHEA [level] came from fifty-eight to five hundred and two. Now ten milligrams twice a week by itself probably couldnt raise you to a hundred. So obviously it is her belief system and her knowing [that made the difference]. Its such a wonderful idea Im going to have to play with it, you see. Youve got to have many different ways of getting people to do what they can do. She could do it without taking ten milligrams. The point is, thats pretty safe even if she took ten milligrams twice a week for the rest of her life, I wouldnt worry about that. And so thats a wonderful tool for some people theyre going to be able to trigger that, that way, so Ill play with that. I may find that it works. Maybe itll only work in twenty percent of the people but for those twenty percent it will be better than anything else I could give them. And so its always being opened. She said to me, I would not tell my physician back home this, because I know they wouldnt understand.
Thresholds: Do you think if you were using that kind of method, telling your body to make its own "clone", would your body know what level was too high?
Shealy: Oh, I believe that. Unless youve got some lesson to learn. (Laughs.) Let me give you an example. In 1974, I met a man whose name I knew from his work. We were at a meeting together in Gainesville, Florida. He was forty-nine years of age and said Norm, Ive got an enlarged prostate and they want to take it out, is there anything I could do? I said, Well, yeah, I think so. Now, I didnt know and had never tried this before with an enlarged prostate. I said, Sit down, feel the pulsations of your heartbeat in your fingers. Yeah, okay. I said, Now you know where your prostate is. This guy is a, I guess youd call him a psychologist, its as close as anything. He doesnt know anatomy that well, but he knew where the prostate was. I said, Now, feel the pulsations of your heartbeat in your prostate. He said, Mmm, okay, its a little weak but I feel this. I said, Fine. What I want you to do is fifteen minutes twice a day, sit down and feel the pulsations of your heartbeat in your prostate and visualize it being normal in size. He said, I dont know what size that is. I said, It doesnt matter. You create a symbolic image of what normal is there and you tell your body to do it. It knows what normal is. Two weeks later, his symptoms were gone. That was 1974. 1984, he was at a meeting we held here in Springfield and he got up and told the whole group his story. Fifty-nine years of age and he still had not had his prostate operated upon.
In general, at a symbolic level, the body knows. It will not overproduce unless there is something wrong that youve got some other lesson to learn. I think will, I know will, can be too strong. Its a very important difference between willing something to happen and being willing to have something happen. Or as Carolyn calls it, the will to live which is extremely strong. Ive often said I think if you were on top of the Empire State Building threatening to commit suicide and somebody tried to push you, youd fight back. Our will to live is remarkably strong, but the will to live means you are willing to deal with your crap. And honestly. And thats not always easy to do.
For years, I would lecture and I would say my father committed suicide, smoking. That was my opinion. About two and a half years ago, my father came and he said, I wish youd stop telling people I committed suicide, I didnt commit suicide. That was my role in life. You came into this life saying you wanted a strong will. I gave you an example that you would consider a weak will. That was my contract. I was supposed to die at age fifty-four. I did not commit suicide." I suddenly realized, first of all, the gift that someone would do that for anybody, and secondly, just how we never, never can tell whose playing what role and for what purpose. Now the old [saying] "walk five miles in my moccasins" -- I dont think youd know even after walking five miles in the moccasins because unless you can talk at a soul level youd never know what another persons role in life is. Im sure my father had other parts of that life for his own growth but I got my strong will and even after that happened it didnt teach me enough. I had to go far enough that I came close to being in a wheelchair. And I finally said, Thy will be done. And what choice did I have? I mean, you can fight it but at that stage that I was in last June, you dont have any choice. You dont fight something that isnt fightable. And so, sometimes thats what it takes for a stubborn person to learn to let go. And have I learned the lesson? I dont know. I hope I have. I remind myself every day to be careful about trying to push other people to do what I know is right. [See the May issue of Thresholds for the story of Dr. Shealys healing experience and recovery. -- Ed.]
Thresholds: Is there any one person that you would say has had the most influence on your life?
Shealy: I could say there are half a dozen people who have had a powerful influence on my life. My mother, my father, my sister, in a very different way. My wife, my partner Roger Cady, and Carolyn Myss. But then Ive left out, Willie Tiller, my music teacher when I took piano; Ma Stanley, my voice teacher. There have been dozens. Talmadge Peale, my mentor in medical school. Each of them has played a very powerful role in teaching me something.
Thresholds: I know you are really interested in research. Whats the research that youre currently doing? They tell me that youre retired, but...
Shealy: I know, I hate that word. I despise that word. I am not retired. I am in an alternate career. I dont see patients privately anymore. Im interested in doing research and writing and teaching. If, well, Im going to go out on a twig....Two years ago I received this information about the Ring of Fire. The Ring of Fire appears to me to be a critically important circuit in the human body. I have been told that I will receive in the next sixteen months four other circuits in the body. I dont have them yet. I cant speed up the process. Ive been told I will get the next one by April. I dont know if that means the beginning or the end of April. That one will be called the Ring of Air. The Ring of Air will be helpful, I am told, in treating tinnitus and deafness. I was told three years ago that some day, (if I remember correctly, within five years from the time I was told that), "you will have the technique for regenerating an eye, a spinal cord or a limb." I am told, I know the names of all the energetic circuits. The final one that I will be given which theoretically I will get within sixteen months of now. I always say theoretically because I never know timing is not something that I can control certainly. But at least thats the guidelines Ive been given. The final one will be the Ring of Crystal. And Im told when we get the Ring of Crystal that we will be able to regenerate human tissue.
Now, I have reason to believe that this information is correct because Ive had so much information over the years that has been correct. I cant recall ever being told that Im going to get certain bits of information that it doesnt happen. When that happens, I mean, its almost incomprehensible in one respect. But, interestingly, when I finished my neurosurgical residency, my number one interest was not in pain. It was in regenerating the spinal cord. That was 1963. And the research I wanted to do at that time had to do with something called nerve growth factor. And so I was all gung-ho about using nerve growth factor in the experiments in animals to start with, to prove you could regenerate the spinal cord. I was told it would cost 750 million dollars to do the project I wanted to do in 1963. So I couldnt do it, but I planted the seed and I have to assume that thirty-three to thirty-six years after that Im going to get the answer to how to regenerate the spinal cord. I think that would be a remarkable achievement and I want to point out again, Im just a receiver of information. I dont feel as if, well, I used to argue is that mine or yours? [Laughs]. And I dont know and it doesnt matter. But the information is there. I believe it is there. And obviously, I think thats a very important avenue for me to demonstrate the energetics of the human body in such a way. Basically were talking about not energy, but energetics in its broadest sense. And I honestly believe that thats what Im supposed to be doing.
When I get the information about regenerating the spinal cord, Id love to help Christopher Reeve. I think he is a remarkable person. Its a very funny thing. If I had not decided to leave academic neurosurgery, I probably would have been at the University of Virginia. I had been asked to consider that position as the Chair. The man who took my place who was immediately behind me in the department at Western Reserve, John Jane, is the chairman and he operated on Christopher Reeve. And so, if the time comes I think I could help but I hope that he would never see this, even at this point, because I wouldnt want to give false hope to anybody until Ive got the proof. But you know in first experiments with the Ring of Fire, we are first getting regeneration of peripheral nerve tissue in patients with diabetic neuropathy. So thats a beginning.
Thresholds: And that, is that using acupuncture?
Shealy: No, its using GigaTens on the Ring of Fire. Thats fifty-two to seventy billion cycle per second energy, the same as human DNA. [See the May issue of Thresholds for more information on GigaTens. -- Ed.]
Thresholds: Well, you really have given me all kinds of wonderful information and wonderful giving of yourself.
Shealy: Well, thank you, Ive got to say the most painful thing Ive ever done is learn to be open like that. Vulnerable. But I was told that is what I was supposed to do. And you dont argue, you know, either you accept the information or you reject it. My sister died of complications of diabetes at 58 years of age in a family where nobody dies that young. Except my father, but I mean in my mothers family, people live forever. And I used to say my sister committed suicide of depression. Well, a couple of years ago my sister came and she said, That wasnt really the way it was, that was for a lesson. Her lesson was to learn the language of the heart from the dark, the shadow side. And I said, What is my lesson? To learn the language of the heart from the light side. So, I came in and I told my staff, okay, thats what Im supposed to do, and Im going to do it. And a couple of weeks later I was at Findhorn. The beach has no sand, its on rock. Billions of rocks. And Im walking along the beach and what should jump up at me but that [Dr. Shealy picks up a perfectly heart-shaped rock from his desk] out of these billions of rocks. And so I know that it was to learn to be able to do that and I dont enjoy it, Ive got to tell you. Its very painful but Im doing it and learning thats its okay.
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